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Meta4ik · Jan 11, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by Uber Mass

i think people are dumb enough to exploit with their primary account.. and not all of GW world has 2 accounts... and further back you can read that people with 2 accounts got both their accounts back..

Well I for one and many other of my friends have alt accounts with NF on them im pretty sure that it wouldn't be hard at all to raise a char on an alt to beat up the monkey. I can say for a fact that everything that happened to me seemed legit (me being noob at DoA). I beat it once, was brought to the town via GH, went to the outpost (which had elite mission under the city name) Not like Dev town beware or something like that. Tell me whats not legit in my case please.

Meta4ik · Jan 11, 2008, 11:49 PM // 23:49

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Originally Posted by Yichi

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=988

already pointed out that it should have been kind of blatently obvious.....

Thats wiki on that post. Not what the quest says if im not mistaken.

lishi · Jan 11, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Actually the main reason for banning those people isn't to punish them.
Its one of reason, but not the one anet care the most.

The main reason to actually show to the communty they actually care.
If they had only banned them temporaly i'm pretty sure many people would be angry.

They said clearly the taken great care to avoid banning people who didnt know what was happening and made the run few times.

For everone else yes, you deserve your ban.

If anet didnt perma-ban people for past bug that was just because they made some math and figure out it wouldnt hurted much the community if they just closed the bug without taking action on accounts.

In this case they choose to.

erikjo · Jan 11, 2008, 11:53 PM // 23:53

I say good ridance to all. I am glad they banned them, dont let the game turn into D2.

Good job Anet

politicsxxox · Jan 11, 2008, 11:53 PM // 23:53

anet banned you guys so u can have your life back , dont hate

Yichi · Jan 11, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Meta4ik

Thats wiki on that post. Not what the quest says if im not mistaken.

did you read the post or just look at the picture?

Fates · Jan 11, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

If they really cared, they probably shouldn't have accused 117 of "hacking" when it's pretty obvious they didn't.

I find Gaile's lack of presence in this thread extremely disturbing. It's kinda like "well, if we dont say anything, we can't be proven wrong and accused of lying. Let's just ignore it for the weekend and it'll go away."

Meta4ik · Jan 11, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by lishi

Actually the main reason for banning those people isn't to punish them.
Its one of reason, but not the one anet care the most.

The main reason to actually show to the communty they actually care.
If they had only banned them temporaly i'm pretty sure many people would be angry.

They said clearly the taken great care to avoid banning people who didnt know what was happening and made the run few times.

For everone else yes, you deserve your ban.

If anet didnt perma-ban people for past bug that was just because they made some math and figure out it wouldnt hurted much the community if they just closed the bug without taking action of accounts.

In this case they choose to.

What about the accounts that were just being used as place holders that never physically used the outpost. Ive had friends that had their chars just sitting in the outpost incase we lost the outpost never doing the run and even never having to use the place holder. So why if they took "Great Care" to not ban those people were the account banned anyways. This isnt just one example im sure reading this post alone you'll be able to find many other people who didnt know exactly how the quest worked or had just done it once.

Zeek Aran · Jan 11, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by lishi

Actually the main reason for banning those people isn't to punish them.
Its one of reason, but not the one anet care the most.

The main reason to actually show to the communty they actually care.
If they had only banned them temporaly i'm pretty sure many people would be angry.

They said clearly the taken great care to avoid banning people who didnt know what was happening and made the run few times.

For everone else yes, you deserve your ban.

If anet didnt perma-ban people for past bug that was just because they made some math and figure out it wouldnt hurted much the community if they just closed the bug without taking action on accounts.

In this case they choose to.

One of the better posts, thank you. For everyone saying, "Well they didn't ban me when I haxxorzed Duncan and everything else in the game!" what if they did? Would you still continue to exploit things because you don't think it would get you banned? Hopefully this stands as a big example to all others who discover exploits, so they aren't abused.

I'll say this as a general thing: If you have more than five typos in two sentences, you should use a spellchecker. Not to point at anyone specific, this time.

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Originally Posted by Meta4ik

What about the accounts that were just being used as place holders that never physically used the outpost. Ive had friends that had their chars just sitting in the outpost incase we lost the outpost never doing the run and even never having to use the place holder. So why if they took "Great Care" to not ban those people were the account banned anyways. This isnt just one example im sure reading this post alone you'll be able to find many other people who didnt know exactly how the quest worked or had just done it once.

Because helping someone continue to abuse an exploit is still NOT okay.

Commander Ryker · Jan 11, 2008, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Fates Monk

If they really cared, they probably shouldn't have accused 117 of "hacking" when it's pretty obvious they didn't.

I find Gaile's lack of presence in this thread extremely disturbing. It's kinda like "well, if we dont say anything, we can't be proven wrong and accused of lying. Let's just ignore it for the weekend and it'll go away."

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...27#post3529627

Clait · Jan 12, 2008, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by lishi

Actually the main reason for banning those people isn't to punish them.
Its one of reason, but not the one anet care the most.

The main reason to actually show to the communty they actually care.
If they had only banned them temporaly i'm pretty sure many people would be angry.

They said clearly the taken great care to avoid banning people who didnt know what was happening and made the run few times.

For everone else yes, you deserve your ban.

If anet didnt perma-ban people for past bug that was just because they made some math and figure out it wouldnt hurted much the community if they just closed the bug without taking action on accounts.

In this case they choose to.

Through this thread, its apparant that this isn't a small issue. People will be angry temp ban or perma-ban.

Considering Anet will not release the standard they use to ban people. How can you make the conclusion that these 117 bans were justified?

Meta4ik · Jan 12, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Yichi

did you read the post or just look at the picture?

Both actually thing is what if you didnt know the exact process. The town does say elite mission. Maybe you havent see the actual town in picture or what have you but im sure youll find them here. it says elite mission, it shouldn't seem out of the ordinary seeing hows right after you face the boss of the entire quest. If you found yourslef in an outpost you didnt know how to get to but entered the mission and found a rediculous boss and the outpost said elite mission would you not go again if the pay off is good?

-Sonata- · Jan 12, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Fates Monk

If they really cared, they probably shouldn't have accused 117 of "hacking" when it's pretty obvious they didn't.

I find Gaile's lack of presence in this thread extremely disturbing. It's kinda like "well, if we dont say anything, we can't be proven wrong and accused of lying. Let's just ignore it for the weekend and it'll go away."

She has previously made presence here. Aside from that, what purpose would it serve to have her here when, from a majority I've read so far, she'll just be accused of lieing, spinning, not doing her job, has no clue what she's talking about, etc...

Quite frankly it doesn't surprise me one bit she's not responding. I know I wouldn't if I knew full well anything I said here would just be tossed out the window as Fox News Spin. I'd be staying in PM's and emails where the mature ones are working with her, not against her, to help solve those who have honestly been caught in the middle.

Fates · Jan 12, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...27#post3529627

Thanks for pointing out her post from 20 hours ago, long before the "hack" was explained.

lishi · Jan 12, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by Meta4ik

What about the accounts that were just being used as place holders that never physically used the outpost. Ive had friends that had their chars just sitting in the outpost incase we lost the outpost never doing the run and even never having to use the place holder. So why if they took "Great Care" to not ban those people were the account banned anyways. This isnt just one example im sure reading this post alone you'll be able to find many other people who didnt know exactly how the quest worked or had just done it once.

Well, i suppose they checked the logs, found something fishy and then banned.
Maybe while he used the account he typed something like.

"i will keep this char here as a place holders so if we need we can ferry more people if we need"

If that wasnt true ask the support tu unban.

Zeek Aran · Jan 12, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by Fates Monk

Thanks for pointing out her post from 20 hours ago, long before the "hack" was explained.

Not everyone has been here for all 50 pages.

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Originally Posted by lishi

Well, i suppose they checked the logs, found something fishy and then banned.
Maybe while he used the account he typed something like.

"i will keep this char here as a place holders so if we need we can ferry more people if we need"

If that wasnt true ask the support tu unban.

Theoretical question, if someone who was a part of this exploit had two accounts, and the player made it obvious he owned BOTH accounts, and one took part in the exploit fully while the other took NO PART in it whatsoever, are both banned?

lishi · Jan 12, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Clait

Through this thread, its apparant that this isn't a small issue. People will be angry temp ban or perma-ban.

Considering Anet will not release the standard they use to ban people. How can you make the conclusion that these 117 bans were justified?

No, im fine.

They perma-ban them anet did the good choice.
I know bug are common on anything witch does more then print "hello world" on the screen so i dont blame anet for having some.

lishi · Jan 12, 2008, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Not everyone has been here for all 50 pages.

Theoretical question, if someone who was a part of this exploit had two accounts, and the player made it obvious he owned BOTH accounts, and one took part in the exploit fully while the other took NO PART in it whatsoever, are both banned?

i guess that is anet call, you have to ask them.

And i dont think they can be sure an account is owned by the same person unless he clearly typed on the chat(and even so it might be a lie)

Yichi · Jan 12, 2008, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by Meta4ik

Both actually thing is what if you didnt know the exact process. The town does say elite mission. Maybe you havent see the actual town in picture or what have you but im sure youll find them here. it says elite mission, it shouldn't seem out of the ordinary seeing hows right after you face the boss of the entire quest. If you found yourslef in an outpost you didnt know how to get to but entered the mission and found a rediculous boss and the outpost said elite mission would you not go again if the pay off is good?

You're right. I never went to the town. I knew about it for almost 2 weeks and knew that no such town should exist. Sent in 2 different reports on it occuring through knowing players that did go there and used the town, one of them for almost 50 hours straight to get the 10 armbraces he needed to finish the tormented weapons he wanted on his main chars, as well because I had seen screenshots of people being there that shouldn't have been.

A very easy solution to this would have been to either A.) ask someone, B.) press "M" and if it appears on your map than it is a town that you're free to go to, or C.) look it up on wiki.

Any of those actions would take anyone less than 5 minutes total to get the answers that they were looking for.

SolidShadow · Jan 12, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

so where a couple days further and all these people gotta deal with is relation ship managers? Great support.

this is just more the a call escalation. this is people who want to get a solution not fairy tales.